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Computer issues and problems, virus warnings, tech problems, whatever
arty
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re Java:
I received advice from D2MX Support (MDS) that it's OK to upgrade to the new Java on Windows 7 machines.

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We do know about Java 8, which is compatible with Iress. Though [...] XP will not upgrade to Java 8.




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arty
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In Reply To: flower's post @ Apr 8 2014, 12:20 AM

Cookies are small files that websites save on your disk to store your preferences.
As an example, ShareScene will keep a list of threads you have visited this session, so the icons in front can be marked accordingly and you won't have to waste time by looking again. The MDS Forum does the same.
Cookies are also used to keep your Login status, so the different pages of, say, your Bank's website don't have to ask every time for your id and password; instead, the use a small (possible Java) script to pass the information on from one page to the next.
All of this is totally legitimate and saves you time and hassles.

But there are also websites that track more than is necessary for YOUR convenience. They may, for example, keep records on where you have been before coming to this website; what questions you have asked; which ads you have clicked on, etc. At the end of a session, this information is then passed on to the advertisers and stored separately to build a "profile" of your habits and interests. So, next time you return to a connected website, the ads will specifically target your interests. Throw mobile phones and GPS into the mix, and you will suddenly receive a text message from a coin dealer that a Special Sale of gold coins and nuggets is on right now - just as you happen to walk past his shop front.

So, here is what I did; and it needs to be done only once for all time.
In Firefox, go to Tools, Options, Privacy and make it look like this:

Attached File  CookieOptions.gif ( 129.4K ) Number of downloads: 2

Step 1: click on "Show Cookies" which gives me a list of the sources of existing cookies. Look for domain names that you know and want to continue using, e.g.
asx.com.au
sharescene.com
d2mx.com.au
etc.
All others can be deleted immediately - or wait for Step 3.

Step 2: write down the domain names from that list and click on "Exceptions"
Type in one domain at a time and "Allow" it to store its cookies
That will build the list of domains (companies) you trust and want to keep dealing with.

Shut down Firefox and restart it. (You may also reboot you PC to be sure.)

Step 3 is optional: If you haven't bothered or were unsure which cookies can be deleted, Delete All.
The only effect that may have is, next time you go to one of your trusted websites, you may be asked to re-enter your preferences and acknowledge that you have read and acknowledge their site conditions. No big deal - I do it every once in a while as a matter of principle.



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I trade daily, but I am not a licensed adviser. Whether you find my ideas reasonable or not: The only person responsible for your actions is YOU.
I follow two rules: (1) There are no sacred truths. All assumptions must be critically examined. Arguments from authority are worthless. (2) Whatever is inconsistent with observed facts must be discarded or revised. We must understand the Market as it is and not confuse how it is with how we wish it to be. (inspired by Carl Sagan)

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flower
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In Reply To: arty's post @ Apr 7 2014, 11:55 PM

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That's why I have disabled cookies on my computer, only making exceptions for web domains that I feel have a legitimate interest - my Banks, Brokers, Sharescene, and the like.


Yes, cookies. Never have understood what they are, are they of any use to me, if not why have I got them?

I use Trend Micro as my security system, this sweeps my PC on command or always once a week at a time I set. During that sweep it will remove 8 to 9 cookies each and every week, so my question is why does it delete the same number every week?

Should I disable cookies, I thought cookies allowed me quick access to regular sites like SS and saved my entry details---so have I fallen prey to yet another deadly spying ploy by some unknown spirit for some unknown reason?

Am relieved that I can trust Microsoft updates, not that I have any option if I want to close my PC down!



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arty
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In Reply To: Alethia's post @ Apr 7 2014, 09:42 PM

We're on the same page, Alethia;

I'm not saying the Lawyer's advice is correct and applies to everyone; I'm saying I understand why he recommends upgrading.

I, too, am asked lots of questions about PC issues - all kinds, complex and trivial. And most of my "mature-age" friends are like yours: They use the PC to stay in email or facebook touch with friends and family; listen to the News; Google for crossword clues; write short stories. One is even belting out a novel about life in an old folks home. I'm sure they won't have any problem staying on XP.

But I also know a few that feel the need to re-broadcast everything that hits their Intray; one was even smart enough to "click here" in order to find out where he could claim his Million Pounds. That got him a new email address, and we changed his access code and password to - luckily only one - Online Bank. (He assured me he had never ever used his Mastercard for Online Purchases. So far, that seems to be the case as there haven't been any dodgy transactions.)

PS for flower: Keep allowing Windows Upgrades. You don't want to ask someone in the know each time which ones to install. Let Windows install all critical (urgent) ones and restart your PC when prompted.

Java is necessary to run certain programs; MA7 and web.IRESS are among them. It's a particular runtime environment written by Oracle, which makes it easier (and affordable) for developers like Craig and the Iress team to build those systems. The problem that you refer to arose about a year ago, when Oracle issued a new version before Iress were ready with the necessary adaptations. Normally, upgrades should be backwards compatible. Sometimes they're not. I haven't yet upgraded my Java either and won't do so before I've spoken to Craig or Ben about it. (If I find the time, I'll test it on my backup PC first.)

Lastly: I hate data miners, whether they're Google or other parties interested in my personal habits and preferences. The recent changes to Privacy Laws have opened the door for commercial interests to collect and exploit everything these barstuds can lay their electronic tentacles on. That's why I have disabled cookies on my computer, only making exceptions for web domains that I feel have a legitimate interest - my Banks, Brokers, Sharescene, and the like.



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I trade daily, but I am not a licensed adviser. Whether you find my ideas reasonable or not: The only person responsible for your actions is YOU.
I follow two rules: (1) There are no sacred truths. All assumptions must be critically examined. Arguments from authority are worthless. (2) Whatever is inconsistent with observed facts must be discarded or revised. We must understand the Market as it is and not confuse how it is with how we wish it to be. (inspired by Carl Sagan)

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Alethia
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In Reply To: arty's post @ Apr 7 2014, 07:42 PM

Why on earth would you ask a lawyer about XP?????? Inconceivable!!

I get it. You are not asking if XP will continue to work - which it will, but who you can sue if something goes wrong.

Somewhere along the line you have to take responsibility for your own actions.

A virus will not attack you on Sharescene, Google or Outlook or most other responsible sites. Your not going to get a virus doing your banking or APOD or Wiki.

But your chances increase significantly if you like to visit dating sites, game sites and download questionable material.

I have a bunch of geriatric mates that use their computers to check emails, skype, read the news and check their portfolio's. XP will continue to work for them until they upgrade their computers. And if they do get a virus in the next few years they are not going to call a lawyer, they are going to ask me to fix it.













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In Reply To: flower's post @ Apr 7 2014, 06:47 PM

Windows 8 is fine contrary to what you hear.

I use it on one of my laptops and the only gripe was an initial lack of familiarity. Finding some items was a bit of a pain in the butt but some things work really nicely.

IMO W8 is worthwhile if you use in conjunction with a touchscreen monitor. It is much nicer for viewing pics and allows you to use your laptop like tablet but still allows the power of a laptop. I find myself muddling around using my hands on the keyboard and the screen depending on what app is open.

W8 can be made to work like W7 if you get too lost while learning your way around.

We are updating some machines at one place that I work and we are speccing W7 (from XP) to keep issues with some of the software to a minimum but the users of these machines are not super competent and I need to network them so I am going to stick with something I am more familiar with. The XP machines are pretty slow, a little buggy and are occasionally causing issues with the current printers so they need to be updated anyway.



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arty
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In Reply To: Alethia's post @ Apr 7 2014, 04:54 PM

Correct and incorrect, Alethia

You're correct when you say XP won't burn up, but continue to run for a long time as it has in the past ... as long as no new threats appear that bypass your Defender and other security hurdles.

However, for many computer-illiterates using Social Media and funny websites, the risk of catching a new nasty can grow significantly. A few lucky ones that have a hardware firewall, as provided by most wifi modem-routers, will still stand a good chance; especially if they stay away from unsavoury corners of the webiverse and don't ever "click here" when an uncertified email congratulates them on winning a Lottery they never entered.

But the dangers will increase.

That was the reason why I asked Nipper for details. Knowing now that Peter Moon is a Lawyer, I'm not surprised by his hard line. You can hardly expect a Lawyer to advocate "don't worry, you'll be right." That would surely leave him wide open to being sued by an eager colleague who will represent any hapless victim of a hack attack "pro bono". Even Microsoft might try and lodge a claim over damaged business prospects, arguing their profits will suffer if XP users won't waste money and upgrade to Windoze Seven. mad.gif



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I trade daily, but I am not a licensed adviser. Whether you find my ideas reasonable or not: The only person responsible for your actions is YOU.
I follow two rules: (1) There are no sacred truths. All assumptions must be critically examined. Arguments from authority are worthless. (2) Whatever is inconsistent with observed facts must be discarded or revised. We must understand the Market as it is and not confuse how it is with how we wish it to be. (inspired by Carl Sagan)
 
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In Reply To: Alethia's post @ Apr 7 2014, 04:54 PM

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This is like the Y2000 bollocks.

XP will keep working like it is today - forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So who does the average Joe and the non university trained geek believe?

My PC supplier said when upgrading my PC 18 months ago, DO NOT TOUCH windoze 8, so did a PC whizz on this site.

Windows 7 works just fine, I don't go to dodgy sites, don't open anything I don't know about etc.

UPDATES: Another minefield, some say they are sent to you because they are essential, others say ignore all updates, only one I cant ignore are the windows updates I get on closing my PC, since its my bedtime by then go along as instructed.

JAVA: Have no idea what Java is, apart from a location., have no idea what it does, don't care much. example: some time ago the Java logo thingy kept telling me to upgrade, so thought I had better follow instructions, result was the very next morning my trading software wouldn't load, and the software help desk said: why did I upgrade Java, didn't I know the software would only run on version abc? Course I didn't, so my PC was taken over and the whole thing sorted out in front of my weary eyes.

Google and all its ad ons, a great big information grabbing con? Read somewhere facebook and twitter were nothing more that information gatherers, and its your personal information they after so that they can sell it to somebody for some obscure purpose, don't use them so they cant get anything out of me.

Your PC is running slow--so what --don't care, PC doctor sais its our local country exchange and dodgy Telstra copper landlines between here and the exchange and the proximity of a large country primary school where they all have laptops-- would you believe-- and the latest mobile phones and they are all aged under 8 years!

Get Google Chrome ---why? tried it once and got a new toolbar I didn't want.

Its all a load of bollocks!!!

Mind you do accept that IRESS is better than R*oters as information suppliers!

So-why do THEY bother--do they own a chain of PC Doctors, cos that's where I inevitably land up thumbdown.gif



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This is like the Y2000 bollocks.

XP will keep working like it is today - forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only people who may be affected will be those who are paranoid about trojan horses, malware and viruses. In that case don't go to porn sites or dodgy game sites.. If you have defender that is all you need. Don't open emails from people you don't know.

In the future XP may not work with new applications and peripherals, but if you keep your old applications it will go on and on and on.

My suggestion is when you need to change your computer go to windows 7 and if you are like me you won't need to change your computer until window 9 of 10.

Software is not like a car. There are no pieces that break or wear out with age. Windows is not going to give you the dates updates. Big deal. I hardly ever install them anyway and my computer has not crashes and burned.





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In Reply To: arty's post @ Apr 7 2014, 02:45 PM

Peter Moon is a technology lawyer at Cooper Mills Lawyers. peter.moon@coopermills.com.au

He is a well-known commentator - this appeared in Fairfax press



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