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The future of airlines
blueice
post Posted: Sep 17 2010, 09:17 AM
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Long time between drinks for this topic - any way here is a good one for the CATTTLE CLASS passengers. Now atleast you can be close enough to whisper sweet things in the ear of the front passenger............pack those doggies in...........LOL

A NEW design for economy class airline seating gives a new meaning to the term "cattle class" - as passengers would sit on saddle-type seats, even closer to the person in front than now.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/n...f-1225925165883


 
balance
post Posted: Nov 25 2008, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE (swuzzlebubble @ Tuesday 25/11/08 01:15pm)

I hope those functionally disabled by being tall get to fly business class at economy prices to gain the extra leg room.
It seems that being obese where some if not most can do something about their condition have an advantage over those born with something out of the ordinary and can do nothing about it.

maybe now we will get to weigh people along with their bags to gauge an airfare. devilsmiley.gif After all, freight is priced largely by weight and it does take a given amount of fuel/energy to transport a given weight.

Interesting decision and will spark debate.



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Obese have the right to two seats: court
November 25, 2008 - 11:27AM

Obese people have the right to two seats for the price of one on flights within Canada, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled on Thursday.

The high court declined to hear an appeal by Canadian airlines of a decision by the Canadian Transportation Agency that people who are "functionally disabled by obesity" deserve to have two seats for one fare.

The airlines had lost an appeal at the Federal Court of Appeal in May and had sought to launch a fresh appeal at the Supreme Court. The court's decision not to hear a new appeal means the one-person-one-fare policy stands.

The appeal had been launched by Air Canada, Air Canada Jazz and WestJet.

Obese have the right to two seats



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balance
post Posted: Jul 24 2008, 02:15 PM
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as usual geoff dixon (the worlds happiest executive) concentrates on the negatives, what he and the press dont push hard enough is the fact this crisis is an opportunity for the well run cashed up oufits to really put it up the weaker players kill them off take them over or just watch them rot.
Qantas SIA Emirates Etihad etc will do ok.



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alonso
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In reply to: The Pro on Thursday 24/07/08 03:22am

Thanks for that Pro . .you might be interested in this nice little summary:

http://au.biz.yahoo.com/080724/2/1ufpw.html



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Airline index blasts up 75% over last week
Declining oil prices spurs week-long rally across the sector


http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/airl...13CEA3209BE8%7D



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alonso
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Geoff Dixon's global predictions:

http://au.biz.yahoo.com/080722/31/1ucfz.html



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alonso
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Low cost fares are over, low cost becomes "reasonable" fare . .fewer planes, more bums on seats . .move towards passengers who can afford to pay . . I wasn't wrong, it'll be back to the 5000 pound seat on a flying boat

http://business.smh.com.au/business/qantas...80718-3hhq.html



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Also an interesting article written by Stephen Bartholomeusz - "No future for Inept airlines" -
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf...erts&loc=center

Well written article that presents a good picture of the issues the airlines will face for at least the next year or two. An intersting comment is made that if the price of oil icreases by US$1, it affects the airline industry by $1.6billion - on both sides.

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The Australian aviation industry has moved into survival mode. With airline collapses now occurring with increasing frequency around the globe, both Qantas and Virgin Blue are taking dramatic steps to preserve sufficient cash to ride out the oil-price induced turbulence.

Qantas has today announced substantial job cuts – 1500 jobs have gone, plans for 1200 new jobs have been scrapped and a fifth of its management and head office staff will disappear – and has slashed planned capacity growth from 8 per cent to nil, retiring 22 of its older aircraft in the process.

Virgin Blue’s Brett Godfrey told Business Spectator that he would reduce capacity by another three per cent, on top of a six per cent reduction announced only last month, and said that if oil prices remained at current levels it would be an ‘’incredible achievement’’ for any airline, including the Australian carriers, just to break even this financial year.

Over the next couple of years, he said making a profit would become secondary to preserving cash.

The reality for the industry is that no one can make money if oil prices remain where they are. The recent forecast by the International Air Transport Association that the industry would lose up to $US6.1 billion this year now looks wildly optimistic. A movement of $US1 in the price of oil per barrel adds or subtracts $US1.6 billion from the global industry’s earnings.

For the two major Australian domestic carriers, the strong Australian dollar and some fuel hedging provides some protection from the forces buffeting the global industry. The near-duopoly characteristics of the domestic industry also gives them some pricing power and the ability to both increases fares and introduce charges for baggage. Tiger’s limited existing capacity means that its impact on the market so far has been relatively modest. Separately, all three carriers are relatively efficient by international standards.

With the economy softening the outlook has deteriorated dramatically. Hence the decision to carve into capacity, which had previously been expected to increase by as much as 20 per cent this year.

For both big carriers, removing older capacity will produce more fuel-efficient fleets while redeploying capacity onto more profitable routes will preserve and optimise profitability, or at very least cash generation. Both have very strong and liquid balance sheets.

For Qantas, while the near term outlook for its international business will be challenging at best and quite bleak at its worst, the stress oil prices are imposing on international carriers far less efficient and flexible than itself may, in the long-term, be quite a positive development.

Geoff Dixon has railed for years about the lack of commerciality in the global industry and the distortions created by motivations other than profit. There are also substantial impediments – given the level of involvement by national governments in the sector – to the rationalisation of a sector that has been sub-economic virtually throughout its history.

If oil prices don’t fall back substantially, the industry landscape may be radically reshaped by the torrents of red ink now pouring through it – as Godfrey said, the conditions confronting the industry globally are dramatically worse than in the aftermath of September 11 or during the SARS crisis – which would eventually create a more rational landscape for the better-managed carriers that survive.

The good news for Qantas today is that it has at least settled what was a disruptive, damaging, destabilising and, given the conditions, dangerous dispute with its maintenance engineers.

Gifting Virgin Blue business travellers in today’s environment was a luxury Qantas couldn’t afford – although one would have thought the Qantas unions themselves should have understood the tsunami-like implications of sustained high oil prices for the industry. Commonsense has, belatedly, prevailed.

 
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Airlines face painful carbon cost
Clancy Yeates
July 18, 2008

ANALYSTS are saying some heavy carbon users could suffer under an emissions trading scheme, while other, more fortunate, polluters could be cushioned.

Despite generous concessions to electricity generators, the cost of emitting carbon could slice anywhere between 2 per cent and 24 per cent off profits in aviation, steel-making and other industrial manufacturing, according to various estimates.

Many ambiguities of the scheme remain - most importantly the overall cap to be imposed on carbon emissions - which will determine the cost to business. But the uncertainty has not stopped broking houses from estimating which companies will take the biggest hit, and airlines could be among the worst affected.

Assuming a carbon price of $20 a tonne, UBS analysts Simon Mitchell and Ramoun Lazar said Qantas could face an extra $81 million in costs, or 6 per cent of pre-tax profits, while Virgin Blue's costs would rise by $31 milllion, or 24 per cent of pre-tax profits.

The Federal Government's green paper says transport fuel taxes will be cut to ease the burden of higher costs in the scheme's early stages. But it also says domestic aviation is not a "strongly affected industry", despite fuel accounting for almost 30 per cent of airlines' costs.

"Aviation and rail appear to have raw exposure to the scheme, whereas road will receive a concession," the UBS analysts said.

The chief risk officer at Qantas, Rob Kella, said his company was disappointed that the airlines' position had not been specifically recognised.

"Qantas accepts the role of an emissions trading scheme as part of a suite of measures and is prepared to play its part - but we will need time to adjust to a cost of carbon through the allocation of free permits at the beginning of the scheme."





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